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Not when it’s an M&P, and you’re using Apex parts.

This^^^ Some guns can benefit from a good aftermarket trigger set.....M&P is a great example.

But, for me on a carry piece I will leave the OEM in tact. Just train to shoot it as proficient as I can.


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Old 05-24-2020, 05:22 PM
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Update: The holster is breaking in nicely, I can now remove the pistol with half the effort it took at first. I think another 24hrs and it’ll be time to remove the ziplock bag.

I’ve also ordered the metal mag release (recommended because the OEM is polymer and the mags are metal) to replace the polymer OEM one. I have also ordered my favorite sights to put on carry pistols (not that sights are needed). Trijicon HD night sights with orange front and blacked out rear.


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A shockwave is on my list for the vehicle. Not sure if I want to go with the Mossberg or the Remington. If I add a pistol grip brace, I’ll buy the Remmie. If I leave it with stock grip I’ll get the mossy. I have a quick access spot for a full sized handgun within drivers reach as well. Will have to find a holster that will work to hold it in place.


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I would go to battle with you guys any day!


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Lol..forget the brace. You'll find that these guns are as accurate as chunkin a rock at a herd of possums. They are literally spray and do damage while you beat feet
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Lol..forget the brace. You'll find that these guns are as accurate as chunkin a rock at a herd of possums. They are literally spray and do damage while you beat feet
Actually; mine patterns damn well with #4 buck.
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Lol..forget the brace. You'll find that these guns are as accurate as chunkin a rock at a herd of possums. They are literally spray and do damage while you beat feet

I was wondering about that and what the spread is on such a short barrel. What do you run in it while on truck duty?


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Military surplus 00 buck with a reload in the hangin gun case in my truck. As far as spread, all I can tell ya is it knocked hell out of two trees at about 7 yards
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I’ve shot mine at 10 yards after IDPA practice.

The 2 3/4” #4 buck patterns nicely in the COM A-zone of an IDPA silhouette target, and the second shot I took at the head removed just about all of it from the body.

I shot a five pack of the buck, and brought along an old box of high brass #6 shot (1960’s vintage) for anyone else that wanted to try it. They finished that box in short order. Everyone liked the little Mossberg, and I know of at least one guy who went out and bought his own, as I shot it a few weeks later.

The Mossberg holds six rounds of three inch 12 gauge shells; the Remington holds five. I don’t know about the 20 gauge ones they make now, but I’d imagine they’re the same.

I had no problems hitting with it from about half way between the 3/4 hip and point shoulder positions, but anyone without threat focused shooting training may have a problem, especially if they hold it up in front of their face so they can look over the bead. I would NOT recommend trying to shoot it that way. It’s also very easy to shoot from the hip from a recoil standpoint, as long as you’ve trained to shoot that way.
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I’ve shot mine at 10 yards after IDPA practice.

The 2 3/4” #4 buck patterns nicely in the COM A-zone of an IDPA silhouette target, and the second shot I took at the head removed just about all of it from the body.

I shot a five pack of the buck, and brought along an old box of high brass #6 shot (1960’s vintage) for anyone else that wanted to try it. They finished that box in short order. Everyone liked the little Mossberg, and I know of at least one guy who went out and bought his own, as I shot it a few weeks later.

The Mossberg holds six rounds of three inch 12 gauge shells; the Remington holds five. I don’t know about the 20 gauge ones they make now, but I’d imagine they’re the same.

I had no problems hitting with it from about half way between the 3/4 hip and point shoulder positions, but anyone without threat focused shooting training may have a problem, especially if they hold it up in front of their face so they can look over the bead. I would NOT recommend trying to shoot it that way. It’s also very easy to shoot from the hip from a recoil standpoint, as long as you’ve trained to shoot that way.

Thanks for the info bro, much appreciated.


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